^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ See Current contributions. See Nov 00 contributions. See Oct 00 contributions. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fri Dec 29 12:08:44 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Yahoo! Polls and surveys - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of relative, 1yrs ago. Cause of Death: road accident; Aged: 52. --Details: They [couple] were on holiday in South Africa and the bus they were in went off the side of the cliff. It was all over the news in the UK. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the end of life, when our bodies cease to sense things around us and the brain stops controling out body. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was 5 and devasted. It took me a year to get over it, but in hindsight, i coped very well considering that it was someone close to me. --That first time, how it happened was Old gran passed away --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: my dad crying, and the fact that it hadn't sunk in. It only struck me the day after that they died. --What I think my () culture needs to better learn about death is: ??????? --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: the end of pain of an illness.... --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: my family. [mum mainly] --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: their absence in everday life --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: that the person would be left with memories of that person. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? Adequate What Helped me most deal with death? Other: Parents and the fact that I knew that she'd die at some time as she was very old What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Fear of Death ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fri Dec 29 03:13:45 2000 F17 in Auckland, =New Zealand= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Prof/Studies: Student - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of GrandFather, 0 ago. Cause of Death: asthma; Aged: . --Details: just couldn't breath properly - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the end of life --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I didnt quite understand and wasn't too saddened by it --That first time, how it happened was My great grandfather died of a stroak when I was 10 --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: breaking down and crying in the arms of my boyfriend (the first time I cried beacause of the death), after telling him of my memories with my Grandfather (the deceased) --What I think my (New Zealand) culture needs to better learn about death is: You can't be so certain there is an afterlife --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: I discovered how close I was to the deceased --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: my boyfriend --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: them not being around any more --The most confusing point of death for me was when: thinking of the afterlife --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I cried - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Pre-Teen How'd I do? Very Well What Helped me most deal with death? Keeping Busy What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Thoughts of the Afterlife I'm scared because I don't know if there really is one ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tue Dec 26 06:31:40 2000 F21 in sydney, NSW =Australia= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Enrolled Nurse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': the people I have known well, who have been close to me, that have died have never mentioned these experiences , or have not died in peaceful circumstances. Although at work ( I am a nurse and sometimes deal with pallative care ) I have noticed clients, who are in the late stages of dying hold out hands or smile, to things? that are not really there.But these actions I have only ever witnessed on those who have had alzhimers disease or dementia.Other people who I have seen dying in hospital are often very comforted by human touch from a loved one, or a nurse. --RE: Near Death Experiences: I know alot of people who have had to face the challenge of cancer. People often re-evaluate and change their attitudes toward life, enjoying activites, especially creative activities That they otherwise would not have taken up.I know people who are in remission and are glad they had cancer because it changed them so dramatically in a positive way. They enjoy life more and the roses smell sweeter, or something like that. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: Dad and mum divorsed when I was 6 months old. I saw Dad about 5 times a year, when he found out he was dying he and I spent alot more time together. He felt guilty about his past and I completely forgive him. I still think its sad that Ill never have a 'normal' father figure and a chance to form a close bond, but thats the way things are and I just have to accept that. He was a great man and I admire the way he lived his life as free as a bird. He was sucessful and did alot of good for the aboriginal communtiy. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: After my dad died, last year. I had a dream that I was at his funeral and he was speaking to my mum. He told her to tell me that he loved me. He didnt look at me or talk to me, but it didnt seem to matter. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I strongly believe in organ donation, and if the situation arrived that I was able to donate I would want to and my family members are aware of that. I dont want to end up in the coroners court having an autopsy. Otherwise I dont mind. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I must admit I havent thought an alful lot about my own death. I try to live like every moment could be my last in retrospect to the way I treat my realtionships and myself. The thought of dying a unhappy frightened person is not appealing. I view death as a normal part of life. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: When I first found out dad died(he was 41) I instantly cried for ages. After that Ive been OK. I try not to think about it in an emotional manner. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? I have become close to Dads wife and her family. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: at what age How'd I do? How well --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I found people to be very suppotive, even at work. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - Sometimes I think I might be apathetic, which is not a good thing. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mon Dec 25 19:09:26 2000 F51 in , Wisconsin =USA= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Looking for reference onBardo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Self (impending), several ago. Cause of Death: abuse; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: a transition from one type of reality to another --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was confused --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was... I had a Near death experience. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: learning to let go --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: is should not be feared --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: the light --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: knowing it is not some doom we have been lead to believe --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: saying it was okay --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: maintaining peace and calm within --[My Mother's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: can let her release the suffering and go to the light --The most confusing point of death for me was when: the other person can't just allow --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: it is okay --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: show her a better way to live life before she shut down and quit trying --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: be there for her --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: she said so many things symbolically --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: what else was happening in the world --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I have strong memories of her --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... There would be no pain --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... that people have to suffer this way. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could stop other's from causing themselves and other such pain --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I cried --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: disgust. They only want to numb pain --Regarding HOSPICE etc: hospice was not around. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: My views and my families are quite different. They were never to incorporate true spirituality into their lives but saw God as something separate from them. --Religious Affiliation: Mixrf. Somewhat pagan, taoist, jewish. I see more similarity with religions rather than differences. --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: like energy, collective unconscious, etc. --Regarding MONEY: it had little bearing at all. --Regarding the FUNERAL: being allowed to have the mixed service we wanted --The weirdest part of it all to me was: experiencing the light --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : breathing --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: it is not such a big deal anymore --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': she had two people which she knew from her younger days, that I did not ever know. --RE: Near Death Experiences: It is such a feeling a peace, warmth, love. If anything one can become anxious to experience it again. I will welcome death, not fear it. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: None. We talked before she died. --If we were to visit one last conversation... Not needed --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: My Dad phoned me in a dream at the time of his death and told me to get over there right away. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: Keep your affairs in order and make sure that someone is aware of your current wishes. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I have things to do yet. But will happily go when it becomes my turn to move on for whatever reason. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I am a musician and I play the person's song. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? I want people to enjoy the life that they currently have to the fullest. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? I decided to find a significant other to spend time with. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Very Young Child How'd I do? Very Difficult What Helped me most deal with death? Mystical Studies What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Family's Insensitivities --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I spent time at a nursing home trying to make people somewhat aware that they can do and be more than a waiting body for some inevitable. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - Interesting. - - - Any other questions you feel we should have asked here? Not sure. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fri Dec 22 10:15:45 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] just browsin the web - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Mother, yrs 1 ago. Cause of Death: unknown, she just stopped breathing; Aged: 50. --Details: They think it was the medication she was on, that maybe she had a reaction but they don't kniw for sure. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the end in this life but a new beginning in the spiritaul realm. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I cried. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...It was my grandpa, who I lived with. He died of cancer. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: I couldn't cry, and still haven't. --What I think my () culture needs to better learn about death is: is that it really isn't the end. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: It brought the family closer. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: I think being alone. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: not being able to fogive my mother for how she treated me thru out my life. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: just shareing a movie or something like that. --[My Mother's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: think yu should talk to those you love. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: all the arrangements were made and done,( I was alone on this one) and then trying to morn. I still have not been able to. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: its good that I was able to laugh. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: Tell my mother off!!! --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: Think strait. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: I got a hug from my close friends. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: people bringing food and flowers over. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I wish. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... are you nuts?! I guess I am a realist. It would be the same now as it was befor she died. she would never change. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... That I couldn't straiten things out w/my mom. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could tell my mom off! --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I I don't remember not knowing about death, was never lied to about the subject, even as a small child. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: I wish it was back home in Ca. Being in northern Co. has its draw backs, like poor medical anything. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: Huh, for most maybe, but not for me. They are busy telling little kids that there loved ones are going to hell for not going to church. At least that is my experience. --Religious Affiliation: I am Pagan, was Baptist untill my grandpa died. --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: I don't understand the question. I believe there is a better life after death. For ALL! --Regarding MONEY: It was not an issue. I took care of all expences. --Regarding the FUNERAL: I hated it!!! I didn't want to be there. I prefer to be alone or just with my closest friends. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: My humer. Life is funny and so is death, I guess. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : I never had a problem with death except when my mother died... it was so sudden. --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: I dodn't know what to say here. Just being around for a person is enough. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': I think its great that they are met on the other side. I have seen this happen and know it true. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: My mom and I were never close. I don't know how to resolve the problems we have. I do know that I wont take her crap on the other side!!! --If we were to visit one last conversation... again, I must be a realist. all I can say is thanks for atleast having died so that my family would be able to be close. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: My grandpa used to come see me when I was little after he died. He was there to help me I guess. We were very close. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I don't care how stupid dieing wishes my sound... fallow them thru!!! all of them!!! --Any thoughts about your own death?: I love this realm... but it would be ok. I know many on the other side. It will be fun. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? I have gotten close with my grandmother since my mothers death. Untill then we hated each other. Now we are inseperable. she is my last living relative. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? Well What Helped me most deal with death? Passage of Time What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Religion/Clergy Was told he was going to hell because he didn't go to chuck on sundays. not nice for a church to say things like that to a kid. --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: by just listening. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - it didn't do anything... sorry. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thu Dec 21 15:31:30 2000 F20 in Farmington, Maine =USA= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Stumbled on it ] Prof/Studies: student - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Brother, 6 months ago. Cause of Death: murder-gunshot wounds; Aged: 26. --Details: He was my step-brother, which was not provided as a choice. He also used to date my sister through her high school years, and then when they split, my dad and his mother decided to get together. He was murdered by his live in girlfriend who found out he had been talking to another girl. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the end of living. Your body still remains but there is no reactions. You don't move, think, breathe, etc. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I took it fine. It was my grandfather who was 82. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...my grandfather passed away. He was 82 years old. It was expected. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: that he had to be murdered. That we shouldn't be in this situation, of dealing with his death. That he was too young to be gone. --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: that family members shouldn't find over left over material things. People should focus on the memories. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: it brought my family closer. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: talking with family and friends. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: the fact that he was murdered and was trying to get away as he was shot repeatedly. A quick death would have been comforting. --[My Brother's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: learned that anyone can leave us at anytime. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: the first notification of his death. I was confused about what to say and how to react around family. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: I didn't laugh a lot. I laughed when talking about memories. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: tell him how much I loved him. He was my stepbrother and sisters ex-boyfriend so we wasn't particularly close, although we had contact many times over the years. Whenever he stopped in I rushed out to chat with him, but he never knew how much I liked or respected him. Tell him he can change his life with help from others. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: support my family. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: my sister told me that somehow he knew he wasn't going to have a natural death. And how he had a wierd fascination with dying and the communities reaction and things. She told me he may have liked the way he went. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: ?? Nothing comes to mind. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: other young people die close to my community, when I hear certain songs on the radio, when I think how much he would love to be in the outdoors now...and how he may be looking down on us from a better place. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I would still be his friend and step sister, but have a closer relationship. I would offer to hang out and do things to let him know I cared, and that he didn't have to live as he was. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... that he was taken from us because his girlfriend felt he should die. How could she take away someone's child when she had children of her own? Not fair that he was so young and handsome. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could talk to his murderer. Understand the things that lead to his death. talk to him again, take the pain away from his mother and brother. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I cried. I realized it was never going to go away, and that the family would be dealing forever. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: appreciation. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: a very little. Neither my family nor I attend church. --Religious Affiliation: none --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: a bit of confusion. --Regarding MONEY: the victim had many unpaid debts and behind loans. Much time has been spent trying to pay off peole without losing his land or home. --Regarding the FUNERAL: that it was short, wasn't a great service, but that I had a chance to cry in a good situation, had a chance to come together to mourn our loss of such a great person, and having the experience to console those who needed it. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: not knowing the exact circumstances of his death. I wanted to know where he died, where he was shot, what did he look like after being shot, what did his girlfriend (murderer) do after shooting him. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : the tension that builds in a family situation before it happens. Before he was murdered, we knew that he may have another girl friend and that him and his girlfriend were acting wierd. He came to our house with a bleeding face from being hit possibly, his girlfriend (murderer) talked to my stepmom the day before she shot him and said she was carrying a gun and things. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': there was no known experience of this sort. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: My relationship with the person was fine. I wish that I had spent more time with him, and talked to him more about how we felt about him and how things in his life were. The only things that are unresolved would be things I would say to him, so now I will just continue to think about them. --If we were to visit one last conversation... I would let him know that we all loved him. I would apologize for the way he had to die. I would expect him to accept his fate. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: My boyfriends sister died in 1993 from being hit by a car. His mother reports that she sometimes comes to visit her. She reports that she can smell an odor when she comes, and the room becomes cold. She talks to her about the family. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I would want the family to know what I wanted, and expect them to follow my wishes. I want them to know that I wish to be an organ donor if the chance is there, and that I do not want to be kept on life support to wait for a chance I could come back, I don't want to be creamated...I would want others to move on with their lives. I think issues that have importance are in cases of older or disabled persons who do not wish to be helped from dying. I think assisted suicide should be a possibility for those with terminal illnesses. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I am not scared of being dead, but the was of dying itself. I am scared of the suffering and being scared at the time of death. If I knew that I was going to die, I would spend time with friends and family and tell that that it is okay. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I put up a picture with a poem that was read at his funeral and a message that his mother wrote to him after his death on his birthday. I try to look at that everday and take a moment to think about him. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? I don't think I have any new frienships but I feel a closer relationship to my family and family friends. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Teen Ager How'd I do? Very Well What Helped me most deal with death? My Belief System --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I had a small role in helping with family chores during the time, and being there for others to talk to and things. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - I think the questionnaire was interesting. I am a college student, who took a death and dying class 2 years ago and found this questionaire to be a longer version of some questions our professor has us answer. - - - Any other questions you feel we should have asked here? I think you should ask about the topic of assisted suicide and the family's process with this. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wed Dec 20 07:26:25 2000 F23 in Chicago, Illinois =United States Of America= Name: Toni Email: <Demure318=at=aol.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Yahoo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: College Graduate, Insurance Sales - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of GrandMother, 1 1/2 yrs ago. Cause of Death: heart attack; Aged: 84. --Details: Well, my sister was over visiting with my grandma. My grandma complained of a pain in her shoulder and it was assumed that it was more of her arthritis pain. The pain became more intense and my sister noticed that my grandma looked very uncomfortable. A few moments later, my grandma passed out. My sister called the ambulance and they took her to the hospital. After calling the ambulance, my sister called me. I rushed to the hospital to be by her side. Doctors put an angioplasty ballon in one of her three blocked arteries, but the surgery was unsuccessful. She was then transported to another hospital to have surgery done to attempt to reopen the arteries. The surgery lasted 4 hours (from 11pm-3am) and both her daughters and all of grandchildren were there waiting. She is extremely loved. The surgeon came out and told us that they were able to balloon only one of the three blocked arteries. She would stay in intensive care for observation. He also asked us how long she was diabetic. According to her primary care physician, she was not diabetic. The surgeon informed us that she was and had been for nearly 7 years. The diabetes aided her heart disease and the deterioriation of the arteries. Upon reflecting on his statements, the family concluded his statements could have been valid. My grandfather, who had passed away 6 1/2 years prior to my grandma's passing, was diabetic. While he was alive, they both ate a diabetic diet, which may have supressed her diagnosis. After his passing, she ate a lower sodium diet, but one with much more non-diabetic qualities than before. She stayed alive on life support for 17 hours after the completion of the surgery. Doctors informed my mother and aunt that she was in severe pain and her body was rejecting the angioplasty. It was at that time my mother and aunt decided to disconnect life support and reduce my grandma's suffering. She passed at 5:41 pm that evening and I held her hand from the moment we were able to see her to the second she passed away. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the loss of something you are simply used to having around. In some instances, it is seen as natural; part of ...a process of things. In other situations, when that life is close to yours and plays a significant role in your existence, the loss can be tragic in every possible way imaginable. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I ...ran. I ran until someone stopped me from running. Then, I cried for what seemed days. --That first time, how it happened was My sister's father passed away. I was very close to him, as he was like a father to me. His death was unexpected and its cause was unknown. He was older and relatively ill, so if he killed himself, it was due to his illnesses. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: ...how shattered my world was. Everyone was upset because it was not expected, but my grandma was my world and losing her made it seem like my world had ended. --What I think my (United States Of America) culture needs to better learn about death is: I can't answer this question fairly because I never really attended to how my culture deals with death. All I know is that the process is very traditional and ritualistic. I never dealt with the human emotions part of it and, from what I know now, that is the most difficult part. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: ... that the suffering that was endured by the person in their life had now come to an end. I am not grateful for the loss of loved ones died unexpectedly. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: ...family and my faith. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: ...losing such a significant part of my life. Those people were always there, and I took for granted their presence in my life. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: ... NEVER say, "I know how you feel" because you do not. You may have experienced death, but you never really process it the same as everyone else. --[My Step-parent's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: ... provide compassion and empathy for others who have lost loved ones. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: The following week after the death. It is difficult dealing with the fact that the person who has passed simply is no longer present. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: ... it was at the little things that the lost person did during their life that made me smile at who they were. The good moments made me smile. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: do something that would result in the loss not happening. I'm not superhuman, but that is what I wish I had the opportunity to do. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: I really can't answer that one. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: ... I guess I really never think I'm over it all. I never feel at peace with the losses that have been close to me. I'm still struggling with the issue of death. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I think that if those people who's opinion of my I respected were still living, I would not have engaged in so many regretful activities that I have since they passed on. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... ...that the person I need most in my life to be around me and teach me had to leave when I needed them most." I get mad at God a lot regarding this issue. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could ...be with them again. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I ...begin to think about my grandma's death. It always takes me back to the worst parts of that loss and other significant losses respectively. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: ...doctors aren't gods. They're human mechanics. They see something wrong and deal with it as their education and experience lend them. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: I just wish that they didn't have to suffer. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: I never participated in organized religion. It has played a role in these losses because those who have passed belonged to organized religion. The ritualism of it all helped pass the time more quickly. That is all I can say about that. --Religious Affiliation: I am a Christian. --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: You lose something, something you never thought would leave you. It is that loss. Everyone knows that feeling. --Regarding MONEY: no role whatsoever. --Regarding the FUNERAL: ...it was a time when we saw people we usually only saw at weddings and funerals. It was rather sad. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : ... when a loved one starts talking about another deceased person more often than usual. You can tell that they're giving up when their usual activities alter rapidly. --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: I'm still dealing with it. I couldn't define a process. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: I really never had any unresolved issues with them. I tend to be very close to the people I love. Especially those I've lost... they know me. The real me. There were no hidden issues batween us. Whenever we had a problem, we always dealt with it then and there so that there were no unresolved issues. --If we were to visit one last conversation... I'd probably be really upset. I'd do the yelling thing and ask why I was left to fend for myself. Then, I'd hope they had some soothing advice for me that would help me cope with life and death. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I realized that the wishes of the dying really don't matter too much. It's the people left here to watch the dying suffer who really make that decision, regardless of the dying person's desires. It's a difficult decision and the only thing I can say is that you have to deal with it when the situation arises. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I do not fear death. I know that when I die, I will see the face of God and those loved ones I have lost. I will be able to look down and interact spiritually with those here on earth. Everyone thinks I'm weird like that, because I don't fear dying and want to see the face of God, but that's okay with me. I don't mind :) --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I go to the cemetary often. Most of the time, I don't go to pay my respects or anything like that. I usually go there to yell at my grandma and grandpa for leaving me here on earth all alone... without them. I did that a lot in the beginning, when they had first passed. I don't so that so much anymore. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? Well, I learned that I have to stop blaming my passed relatives for what happend to me. I've learned to take more responsibility for my own actions. I've also learned to take on their values more often than I used to. Their physical presence was a representation of their positive morals for me. Now I have to rely upon myself to partake in that positive value system. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? Not really. I experience difficulty talking about my loss with people and nothing anyone says ever really helps to comfort me. I believe I've become more understanding towards those who have lost loved ones, but I never open myself up to those who want to help me cope. I'm stubborn like that. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Teen Ager How'd I do? Very Difficult What Helped me most deal with death? Religion/Clergy I am a very strong Christian and belief in the Lord soothed most of my pain. The fact that he was suffering due to his illnesses also helped me cope. I told myself that death was actually a renewed life for him. What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Lack of Awareness I was completely ignorant on the subject. I have lost pets and such, but the loss of another human being was something I never once considered having to confront. --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: Like I said before, I don't allow others to help me cope with this. I have been there for others, and all I know from my experience that has assisted others is simply to be there. Provide your services and be understanding. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - It helped me reflect on how I deal with death. It's different to write it out than to simply think about it in your head. I also liked the fact that I just type it and no one is really "listening" to my issues. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mon Dec 18 17:36:43 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] yahoo search on polls - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of BoyFriend, 8 ago. Cause of Death: drugs; Aged: 16. --Details: he was a runaway. killed over meth. i checked myself into an institution cause i felt so out of control - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: ceasing to belong where the living are present --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I didnt understand --That first time, how it happened was my brother died when i was 8 and he was 18 --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: sadness and anger at god --What I think my () culture needs to better learn about death is: acceptance and understanding --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: knowing they are somewhere better than here --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: peoples words --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: feeling angry with god - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? Adequate What Helped me most deal with death? Thoughts of the Afterlife when someone told me that they were happier where they were. it made sense What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Music this one song played at his funeral still bothers me ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mon Dec 18 12:42:39 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Teacher ] my english teacher is on this site - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of GrandFather, 3 years ago ago. Cause of Death: cancer; Aged: 60. --Details: it was a total surprise - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the beginning of something else that you can contact spiritually --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I I knew he was dead before the phone rang --That first time, how it happened was my grandfather died in 1997 in the middle of august. I did not accept his death. I still don't accept it and I am trying to escape from bad thoughts. This year, in school, we have to realize a project for the TPE(personnal work in french) and the subject in "the line between the living and the dead". I hope i'll find the answers I need to go on and live happily. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: I was the only one in the church who was not crying --What I think my () culture needs to better learn about death is: it really hurts and people need to be careful with young kids when it happens. I know a little boy who asked to play with "the big man" in the stairs at my grandma's, the problem is that there was no man in the house!!! --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: my best friend's understanding --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: my passion for horses, it was the only thing i could do wich didn't make me think about that 25th day of august 1997. But now, i can't ride anymore, my back is too weak. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: i couldn't help i was too young and i barely understood what was happening. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: don't tell that person he or she will not die, that is the stupidest thing you could say to a dying person --[My GrandFather's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: ??? --The most confusing point of death for me was when: the hour before he died, i really thought he would survive and stay by my side all my life, just like the father he was to me. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: i don't regret it at all. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: see him more often --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: go on --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: an old friend of mine came to the funeral, during the death process, i was alone. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: ??? --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: i start thinking about what can happen to my boyfriend of 2 years, my grandmother, my mother, even my cats, i am always horrified, i would prefer to stop thinking about it but death is a part of life --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I laughed, i couldn't believe it happened to me, then i cried - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Pre-Teen How'd I do? A bit rough What Helped me most deal with death? Music the concept of satanism helped me out by its selfishness What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Guilt my mother ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sat Dec 16 19:58:57 2000 F22 in Calgary, Alberta =Canada= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Prof/Studies: paramedic - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Self (impending), yrs ago. Cause of Death: suicide; Aged: 22. --Details: I injected myself with hunalin and went into a hypogycemic seizure - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: an chance to go beyond what we know. It is a chance to escape for good to a possible better place. Our soul leaves our bosy to combune eith other souls --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was too young to remeber it all --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...my grandma died --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: how I would be remebered --What I think my (Canada) culture needs to better learn about death is: what exactly happens --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: having the right to choose --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: being in control --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: picturing others dead --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: This may be the last time you can say I love you --[My Self (impending)'s] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: feeland who I truely am --The most confusing point of death for me was when: what really happens. Is there a heaven? --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: laughing is just a way to deal woth what you are feeling --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: show others how much I loved them --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: finally be myself --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: people got up to talk about the good times not the bad times or why it happened --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: it all mattered --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... these people wanted live but me????? --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could cahnge places with that person --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I became content. Proud to do what I was I was doing --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: I am part of that medical community. And it has its good points and bad --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: that that person had a spot in heaven waiting for them --Religious Affiliation: non going catholic --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: All religions beleive in one thing. That there is a higher being or more --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': you become at peace because you finally accept the inevitable. You look at the possitive. You realize there is no other choice - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Very Young Child How'd I do? Very Well What Helped me most deal with death? My Belief System What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Denial ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sat Dec 16 16:38:28 2000 F43 in Omaha, NE =USA= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Researching websites dealing with Hospice Care - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: The Mourning Song, Embraced By The Light, Talking to Heaven, How to Survive the Loss of a Love Recommended Reading-- Writers: Joyce Landorf, Betty J. Eadie, James Van Praagh, Melba Colgrove, Ph.D., (Harold H. Bloomfield, MD, & Peter McWilliams) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Brother, 2 1/2yrs ago. Cause of Death: suicide/alcoholism; Aged: 44. --Details: He took his life by carbon dioxide poisoning. He was on a downward spiral caused by alcoholism. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the most permanent of all of life's possible events. Death is inescapable and inevitable. It is not to be feared, but accepted. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was young and didn't really understand the ramifications of it. However, after you lose someone very close to you, you develop a whole new understanding of death. In one way or another one must come to terms with death. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...as I recall, it was the death of an uncle of mine. The only bad thing about it was the my brother tried to get me to "touch" the body and I was afraid to. I did not touch him. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: the fact that I could see it coming and wanted other family members to help me to try to prevent it. I believe they were in denial about the possibility and chose to act as though my brother just needed to make a decision to get better and get on with life. I knew it certainly had gone beyond the point of simply making a decision to "get better." He needed help desperately. I was horrified to hear that he was GONE! --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: that death had to be faced...it is always a possibility and forever an inevitability. People should not be afraid to discuss death as a taboo subject, I believe it to be very much a part of living and growing. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: In the death of my mom, I believe my mom and God gave me 1 1/2 years to prepare myself for it for which I am eternally grateful and as far as my brother, perhaps it has helped to spawn me towards getting my degree and pursuing a career that deals with death. I know that it is a subject that needs understanding and requires human resources with compassionate natures, such as myself. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: At the time of both of the closely related deaths I believe it was my indulgence in reading for understanding and also the support of co-workers in both instances. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: Not being there to help him (my brother) when I felt that I could have. I lived in another state and did not have the proper encouragement to travel to him when I thought that it was needed. I have been told that I probably would have only 'postponed' the inevitable! --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: Offer whatever help you can and allow the person to discuss his/her innermost feelings about where he/she is at emotionally and spiritually. --[My Mother's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: believe that I can be of assistance to those who are not as resourceful as I was in being faced with death. My mom used to tell me that if I ever "got paid for all that I did for her, that I would be a rich woman." --The most confusing point of death for me was when: With my mom, basically she had decided she was ready to die and so I was ready to let her go, but I always wondered if my acceptance expedited her death. And as far as my brother, I never understood why he didn't actively continue to try to facilitate his own recovery. When he was in detox at one point, he was so good for others...he was a great counselor for his peers. Why didn't he do something with that ability? He just let it all go down the drain, he gave up and lost all hope. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: Simply speaking, God does help us cope in such times!!! --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: I wish that I had returned to our home state to visit him and try to help him the weekend before he took his life as I thought that I should have done. Family members discouraged me saying there wasn't anything I could do. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: eventually come to terms with my brother's death and how it has propelled me on to do something with my life wherein I might be helpful to others in similar situations. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: the decision was made to cremate my brother...I wasn't sure I could deal with that idea. It was the book "Talking to Heaven" that helped me come to terms with that given the fact that my brother had committed suicide. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: who was going to pay for funeral expenses. I didn't question that we as family would do whatever we had to do and it was I who proposed that idea. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I think about all of the things he will be missing in life as a result of cutting his life short. For instance, he now would be the proud grandfather of a baby girl that he will never know, how sad! --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I wish I would have had the opportunity to help him get the help/treatment he needed and have been instrumental to him finding so many better alternatives to life than what he had chosen. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... that he didn't have the strength to save himself. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could I simply get more determined to help others. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I was a little angry that other family members didn't "so-to-speak" heed my warning that we as family needed to get involved and have my brother committed or something. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: My brother was let down...he was discharged from a rehab facility because they found him to be drinking again. When he needed them most, they essentially told him he was hopeless, causing him to lose all hope for himself. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: Hospice was involved during the process of my mother's death. I felt it was as close to heaven as one could get on this earth and in this life!!! That is why I am so supportive and interested in Hospice Care. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: Organized religion 'per se' had nothing to do with the process necessarily, it was my intense spirituality and my mother's faith that got me through all of it, her death and my brother's. --Religious Affiliation: I am attending a non-denominational church that focuses on "seekers of truth." --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: I believe that the spirit that inhabits each of our fleshly bodies cannot simply just become nothing...there must be a higher spiritual life. A spirit such as my mom's could never just cease to be. --Regarding MONEY: It was an issue that I got quite mad about and insisted that we as family pay for my brother's funeral rather than his wife having to do so since she was in the process of divorcing him anyway. --Regarding the FUNERAL: The hard feelings that were evident and the way that people dealt with those feelings of bitterness and anger. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: When I view a body of a deceased loved one, it doesn't have a great effect on me because to me the person is no longer in that body. The spirit has moved on and is with us elsewhere. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : N/A in my brother's death. As far as my mom's death, the facility actually gave me a list of signs and symptoms of impending death upon my asking for something like that. It was very helpful and comforting. --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: Don't try to force feelings, just let them come, allow yourself to be dumb, quiet, or whatever it takes. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': I can't say that I was aware of this phenomena...I just know my mother was one in the same with Jesus upon her death. She said the same words as He did upon his death on the cross-"thirsty" and "finished". --RE: Near Death Experiences: At one point in my brother's life, when he was probably around 20 yrs. old, he had tried to take his own life by stabbing himself. He spoke of a near-death experience wherein he did see a bright, white light at the end of a tunnel. I don't recall any other facts. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: I would love the opportunity to visit with a medium to see if contact with my loved ones is possible without the medium having nay knowledge of any of the facts. I think that would be absolutely awesome. --If we were to visit one last conversation... I would love to know that they felt that I did everything that I could and that they were pleased with me and to know that they were at peace where they are. I also would love to have their encouragement of my pursuits. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: It hasn't, but I wish it would!!! --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: Most importantly is the fact that I believe that anyone who is near and dear to the deceased should be welcomed at any type of memorial or funeral. It should not be just the desires of the living. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I believe I am at peace with my own mortality and will trust God to see me through this life in His own time. I would make all of my loved ones perfectly aware, once again, of my undying love. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: In the case of my mom's death, I took all of her small belongings such as drivers license, etc. and created a scrapbook of her things. It really helped me to accept her death much easier. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? I have come to believe that we truly are not in control...there is a Higher Power (God for me) that is in control and so really, there is no reason to worry or get too excited about anything in life. We just all need to do what we can and trust that all will work out. (Let Go and Let God!) --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? I just feel very close to my husband although he wasn't my husband at the time of my mom's death. But he was my husband at the time of my brother's death. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Very Young Child How'd I do? Adequate What Helped me most deal with death? Other: In this case the death itself wasn't so alarming...it was very distant from me basically. What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Fear of Death I guess for the most part I was afraid of death until the death of my mom when I was 34 yrs. old. --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I am working on that...I would like to be a facilitator of sorts in a Hospice Program. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - It is extensive and interesting to complete. I would love to know of what becomes of all of this and what its use might eventually be. I hope that my answers are of benefit in some way to someone. - - - Any other questions you feel we should have asked here? I was fine with the questions. As I recall, there might be some grammatical errors, but then I'm a perfectionist. I would like to receive an email telling me more about what BARDO is, please! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sat Dec 16 00:50:01 2000 M23 in Coral Springs, FL =USA= Name: David Email: <SflTrainer=at=aol.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Stumbled on it ] looking for the "10 commandments" to reflect on other areas of my life (since having a very very bad day). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Personal Trainer - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of (Relation to You), yrs ago. Aged: --Details: thats very hard to say. i've experienced many different types of death. from witnessing strokes that lead to death. litterally coming home from school and then finding out my great aunt who lived with us and seemed sick (yet still ok)died. my baseball coach having a massive heart attack and dying on the field at practice while myself and his son tried to give him CPR. and even my older baseball coach who looked after me as a son, and who i looked up too in wonderment of his knowledge, his age and health failed him. but i have to say every death i've experienced is very different on how they happened, but each time you can only take memories with you. and i would even say i feel guilty not listing the other family members and friends of mine that died as being extremely important to me. i've learned from each death i've experienced. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the completion of our physical life here on earth. and most of the time it's a very sad loss for others who are involved and know the deceased. yet, no one knows what exactly happens after we die, or where we go, if anywhere. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was very sad. not exactly sure how to react or what to do. i had a feeling of loss and emptyness inside of me. --That first time, how it happened was i believe it was our dog dying while i was a young child. i didn't particually care for the dog, nor did it me for i was born after he was there. but i still felt much grievence and loss. as far as a person, many people died while i was young. first was my great uncle when i was around 3. then followed my friends father when i was about 6. then my great aunt and grandfather over the next couple years. basically i knew someone who died every other year. wheather they had strokes in front of me as a child or massive heart attacks when i was 14. i would say someone i know dies about every other year. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: most recently was my 74 year old baseball coach. he had a profound impact on many people's lives. he was very well respected and loved for the person he was. he truly wanted to see the best for all the kids he helped over the years. the thing i remember the most about him is the glimmer in his eye through his glasses, and smile on his face when he looked at me. then how everyone was crying at his funeral with hundreds of people there to say goodbye to him. even now thinking about him i cry. for he was pure spirit and good will towards others. --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: there are natural deaths which should be accepted and delt with good memories. but there are also terrible deaths where lives are cut short by accidents or from others. those are the people to feel sorry for. the ones who dont get to live a full life, and then is cut down in pain and suffering. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: i have had many near-death experiences. each time i thank God that i am still alive and get to see my family and no matter what i've done, they always love me and are there to help me. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: knowing that i am not alone in feeling the pain and loss of another. that there are other people who feel the same as i, and what i feel is natural. learning to accept the loss of a loved one, yet go on remembering them and cherishing the time you did have with them. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: watching them suffer while still alive. the fact that they, and everyone else knows they will die soon and there is nothing that can be done to change that. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: listening to their stories and their experiences though life. finding out what they loved to do and what made them happy. --[My --specify--'s] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: again, i've experienced many deaths and each one is important. basically being a good person to them before they are dying...then you know also that you're actions are true, and you're not doing it to take pity on them. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: talked to them more and had more experiences to share together. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: let them know that i really did love and care about them. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: i can still feel the deep sense of loss. when i still want to be around the person and make us both smile together. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... many choices i've made would've changed, and i wouldn't be where i am today. where would i be? i have no idea... --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... that there never is a good time for dying in someones life. either things are going great for you, and the loss brings you down. or things are going badly, and the loss just piles more pain on top of you. and always the person who is dying still wants to live, and is very sad if they have any regrets. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could stop the pain and emptyness from loss. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I tried to understand they went to a better place. especially better then when they were here. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: if it is able to keep them alive somewhat longer, at least it gives everyone a chance to say goodbye and express their love while the person is still alive. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: i believe in God and the basic principles of religion, but i do not go to a chruch. --Religious Affiliation: catholic --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: i believe that that is true also. but i guess we won't know until we get there ourselves, will we? --Regarding MONEY: not terribly important. you need money to live, not to die. money is an unfortunate necessaty in life. if you dont have it, you can do anything and experience life. you wouldnt be able to fill up you gas tank and go to work if you didnt have money. no trips or sporting events without money. you can have a "family" without money, but how are you going to feed them? you need money to experience life. when we die, we all lay in the same ground. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: learing to accept that your time to die, can come at anytime. are you ready for it? are you able to say you've lived a good life, as in are you satisfied with how you've lived up until now? and could die right now reading this and have no regrets? going in peace with yourself and your mind? --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : who truly wants to know that they are dying? so they can do things that they've been affraid of doing? is that a legitimate reason or an excuse?...or do you want to know that someone else is dying, so then you can spend more time with them and not feel guilty later on? how you live your life isn't going to change. only you know your true feelings. and if they are different then what you're doing, why is that? --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: grieving is natural...but can you be satisfied on how you treated that person? obviously no one has enough time for everyone. but did you spend you time wisely and effeciently with that person. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': i believe that to be true. --RE: Near Death Experiences: i have had a few near-death experiences. basically i feel that God's gift to us is our lives that we have. the ablity to move your fingers and type, or move your eyes and read, without having to think about it. he let us down here to experience things. they may include pain and loss. but how would you know what joy is if you never felt sadness? true, this may not be paradise for almost every single person down here, for some it is more like a hell. but these are unfortunate stuggles that we must go through in order to appreciate when we're allowed into his heaven. when we are constantly surrounded by good things and loving people. then we will be able to know what we are feeling without taking it for granted. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: there really is nothing to do...if those issues where as important, they should've been done sooner. now you have to live with the consiquenses of your actions, or lack there of. --If we were to visit one last conversation... im sure they hear us when we're talking normallly, so i would direct my comments to them as if they were sitting accross from me. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: i have experienced this also. yet i choose to keep this private. when i speak of them, it seems as if the memory fades from me. when i remember in my mind, the vision stays fresh with me. i perfer to keep these truly special experiences with me. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: not sure...if i understand this correctly, its that the person gets to basically make one more wish and try to fullfil it. well, since life is about experiences, i'm all for that. that is why we are here, to experience different things and feelings. --Any thoughts about your own death?: i would like to say i've tried to live a good life, and do the best with what i was given. i am willing to die whenever the time is chosen for me. just hopefully i can stay around longer to see my nieces grow up and hopefully one day children of my own. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: crying helped. it gets a lot of pain out...yet good memories seem to serve best. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? thats hard to say. im sure over all the years and deaths ive experienced, these have just become a part of me and who i am. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Very Young Child How'd I do? Very Well What Helped me most deal with death? Memories to hold realizing that dying is a part of life. it will always happen, just try to live a good life and memories for others What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? -none- maybe sadness of losing someone who you care about, missing them being around. --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: basically to talk about the person who passed. sharing memories and experiences that we had. remembering the good qualities about the person. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - it was somewhat helpful...i've spent a lot of time contemplating this subject since it's effected me so much over my life. so my views won't change much, because they are the best that i could come up with throughout the dying process. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Fri Dec 15 08:23:13 2000 F53 in Stamford, CT =USA= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Prof/Studies: Social Worker - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: American Way of death Recommended Reading-- Writers: Jessica Mitford - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Father, 20 ago. Cause of Death: stroke; Aged: 71. --Details: Sudden death. Had been in perfect health. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the end of the physical body and perhaps the beginning of a different type of exsistence. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I I was very little and couldn,t understand where he had gone. --That first time, how it happened was I found my great Uncle dead in his bed. I was three years old and at first thought he was sleeping. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: My Mother was gone and even though I was 53 with a husband and grown children, I felt like an orphan. --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: That it is a part of life and that we do not have to spend large sums of money on funerals to show our love for the person who has died. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: I have the most wonderful memories of my parents and the love and wisdom they gave to me and my children. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: Dealing with it on my own. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: The knowlege that I would not see them again or be able to hear their voice. Watching the person deteriorate. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: To not be afraid of touching them and holding them and telling them you love them. Let them know it is alright to go and that you will be fine. --[My Father's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: He had a stroke and was paralyzed and in a coma. If he had lived he would have had a low quality of life. I realized that wishing him to live was only selfishness on my part as he would not have wanted to live with no quality of life. He passed away and I was upset but relieved for him that he would not have to suffer. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: My Mother in law passed away from cancer and after she was pronounced dead she still had slight movement. That was unnervng until it was explained that it was only muscle spasms. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: even in the worst of times, somehow our minds give us realise in the form of laughter. Perhaps it is only nervousness but for what ever reason it still gives us a moment of perhaps happiness. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: hear my father sing to me and hold me for just a few more moments. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: Tell my Mother how much she had meant to me. She was not conscious but when I spoke to her she would squeeze my hand and if I put my face next to hers she woud kiss me. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: my father died his face immediately looked stress free and younger again. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: The type of funeral. I loved my parents in life and they knew it. They did not want funerals and I felt the same way. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I hear a tenor sing a song that my father use to sing --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... Very similar. But I would spend more time talking to my parents and friends and listening proudly to my father. I would get to know my aunts and uncles better. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... when I lost three friends when they were in their early 40's. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could No answer. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I hoped that there was something after death and that he/she was with their family and friends that had gone before. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: satisfaction that everything known to medicine today had been done. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: I am not religious. --Religious Affiliation: protastant. --Regarding MONEY: The doctor's bills and convalescent home took all of my Mother's money. My husband and I paid for any additional needs she had. --Regarding the FUNERAL: It was a simple cremation with only immediate family and a few close friends. It was simple and tasteful as was my Mother. Nothing garish to show how much we loved her. She knew that. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: After my father's death he appeared to me once in the morning. I was not frightened and wished he would come back. I think he came to say goodbye as he had not had the chance at the time of his death. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : Change in mental status. Change in breathing and heart rate. Refusal to take in liquids or food. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': I do not know where we go after we die but I have had experiences in life that make me believe there is something after death. --RE: Near Death Experiences: A firend was in a car crash. She ost all vital signs in the ambulance and was technically dead for a few minutes. Later she had total memory of everything that happened in the ambulance and could recognize the attendants etc. even though they said she was dead until she was brought into the emergency room. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: I feel that I do not have unresolved issues. --If we were to visit one last conversation... Just once again being able to touch and hold them and hear them say they loved me and to tell them how much I loved them and what a sterling life they had lived. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: After my fathers death I as sitting on a bed in my parents home. It was in the morning and a bright sunny day. I was sorting papers of my fathers. I looked up to see him standing in the doorway smiling at me. He looked much younger than his 71 years and was dressed in pants and a shirt I had never seen. I went to go toward him and he continued to smile and just faded away. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I have a living will and my husband and children know my wishes. I am also an organ donor. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I hope it is quick and without alot of suffering. I do not believe in prolonging a life without quality. i would like to live to see grandchildren etc. but if that is not my future, I hope I go with diginty and quickly so my family does not have to watch me deteriorate and have to remember me that way. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I organized the photos of my parents and put thwm in albums alongwith their love letters etc. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? My belief that there is something after death has increased and that is a reasuring feeling as I feel that my loved ones are somewhere else and perhaps someday I will have the opportunity to see them again. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? no - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Very Young Child How'd I do? Well What Helped me most deal with death? Family's Sensitivities What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Viewing the Body - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - It reinforced my feelings about the right for people to die with dignity. It also again made me remember my parents an the friends that have died and hope they are somewhere else. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thu Dec 14 05:28:00 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Best Friend, 1yrs ago. Cause of Death: suisied; Aged: 17. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Still has not How'd I do? Very Difficult What Helped me most deal with death? -none- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wed Dec 13 14:58:44 2000 F15 in Southern Illinois, IL == Name: Ravyn Email: <CruelFaery=at=hotmail.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] yahoo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Student - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Uncle, about 16 ago. Cause of Death: I think a tractor...; Aged: probably 20s. --Details: I'm not sure how his death happened, or anything, b/c he died before I was born and nobody ever talks about him. His death is significant to me, b/c I believe he is my guardian angel. And even if he isn't, I'm happy believing that... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: final. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I didn't deal with it the way I should have. --That first time, how it happened was My cousin was murdered. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: thinking it shouldn't have happened to someone so young. --What I think my () culture needs to better learn about death is: that even though it's final, you still have that person with you. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: when my cousin died, I wrote him a letter and a poem. He never got it, of course, but writing helped me deal with his death. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: writing. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: knowing I would never see them again. Only in my dreams. --[My Cousin's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: dealt with it. The pain never goes away, but you can learn to get a little better every day. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: the casket was being brought out. That was the first time I cried. It never hit me till then. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: get to know the people I lost better. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: write it all down. How I was feeling really shows in my writing. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I probably wouldn't be as happy. I'm not saying I'm glad my Uncle died, but believing he's watching over me has helped me get through really rough points in my life. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could kill myself. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I pretended I could talk to him if I lifted my cover over my head and imagined his face on it. --Religious Affiliation: I used to be a Baptist Xian, but now I am a Witch. --Regarding the FUNERAL: mentally strong people breaking down and crying. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: I've never seen anything personally, that I know of, but when I need help I always pray and I feel a comfort. --Any thoughts about your own death?: If I'm meant to die at any moment, I will. I don't dwell on it, b/c if it's meant to happen, it will, regardless of what I do to stop it. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I write and pray. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Pre-Teen How'd I do? A bit rough What Helped me most deal with death? Zoning Out What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Silence & Taboos ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wed Dec 13 13:41:10 2000 F45 in Havana, FL =USA= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Found during a search of Tibetan Buddhism - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Staff Assistant and Student, Internet Technologies - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Liberation Through Hearing in the Bardo Recommended Reading-- Writers: Translated by Francesca Fremantle & Chogyam Trungpa - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Mother, 5yrs ago. Cause of Death: breast cancer; Aged: 60. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: The end of one chapter and the beginning of the next. --That first time, how it happened was I was present at the hospital deathbed of my first husband's grandfather the moment he died. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: Anger and fear --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: That it is important to study and concentrate on the impermance of life. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: My Mother's death from breast cancer prompted me (even though I wasn't 40 yet) to have a mammogram. The mammogram led to the early discovery of breast cancer in me, and the early detection of it saved my life. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: Meditation --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: The anger that she did not seek medical attention until it was too late, and that she didn't share with me the fact that she was sick until just before she died. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: To just be there. In my Mother's case, she just wanted everything to be normal, so we would watch TV or read or just talk about nonsense things. She did not want to talk about death or regrets or pain; the things that I wanted to discuss. It was hard for me not to ask her, Why? Why didn't you get help? Why didn't you tell someone? Why did you think God would heal you (she was a Christian Scientist)? --[My Self (impending)'s] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: When a person lives through a life-threatening disease (I'm cancer free 4 years), that person cannot see things the same as before, before when that person thought that Death is something that happens to others. Life becomes so much more important when you know any moment could be your last. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: Teach my Mother about the Dharma so that she may have had a chance at Liberation. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: Be with her for the last two weeks of her life (She was living Kansas, I'm in Florida). --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: Attending her funeral. I made the decision to stay with Mother in the weeks before her death, and as a result, was not financially able to attend her funeral. My family is still mad at me about it. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I wonder where she is. Who or what was she reborn as. Does she remember anything about us. Does she exist still. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... That my little brother (6 years old at the time)had to lose his mother when he was so young. It was so tramatic for him, he completly blocked it out. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could Know for sure where she is and that she's ok. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: Great sympathy and compassion. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: No hospice contact. Mother didn't seek medical help until the cancer had already migrated to her brain. No treatment was given, it was too late. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: I was really angry at her church (Christian Science) for encouraging her not to seek medical advice but to cure herself through prayer. --Religious Affiliation: buddhism and wicca --Regarding MONEY: My step father did not honor her last will and testament. None of the items (mostly family heirlooms) Mother wanted her children to have were turned over to us. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: I found that I began to talk to her after she died. I know she can't hear me, but for some reason it makes me feel better. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : Expect the unexpected. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: I've learned to let go of the anger. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: No visitations. I knew Mother had moved on and that we would not be hearing from her. --Any thoughts about your own death?: As a cancer survivor, I've thought extensively about my own demise. I experienced a great deal of fear at the thought of dying, of the not knowing what will happen. Will I be alone? Will I even be? --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: Meditation. Don't cling onto anything. Don't grasp. Let it go. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? Meditation - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Adult How'd I do? Well What Helped me most deal with death? Lack of Awareness What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Fear of Death ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tue Dec 12 11:53:24 2000 F34 in Albany, Louisiana =USA= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] I am a student advisor at a middle school. I work with a group of students who are dealing with the death of a loved one. I was searching for some helpful websites for them to explore. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Student Advisor - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: The Bible was an inspiration to me during my grieving. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of GrandFather, 4yrs. ago. Cause of Death: Cancer; Aged: 81. --Details: My grandfather had been extremely healthy all of his life. After his only sister died the previous year he seemed very depressed and did not appear to feel well. He looked like he felt bad. He began to talk, not complain of a pain in his side and I thought his color looked wrong, just too pale or yellow in tint. He finally went to the doctor, they discoverd a tumor in the center of his liver, it was inoperable. The doctors told him with chemotherapy he had a 20% chance of recovery. He decided to take the medication. I personally feel that the treatments are what killed him so quickly. I feel if he had not taken the chemo, we might have had 1-2 more years with him. Maybe we could have given him medicine to keep him pain free and we couldv'e had time to come to terms with the goodbye. But he became so sick, so fast we could do nothing but take care of his physical problems, not say goodbye properly. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: The end of life here on Earth. The time at which we stop living here with our loved ones. Our spirit moves on. To the other side of our existence. Death is so final. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I Was very scared. Felt so helpless. My grandfather did not want to die in the hospital. We brought him home and hospice helped us take care of him. But nothing can prepare you to deal with being totally involved in a loved ones death. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...My grandfather was diagnosed with terminal liver cancer in April of 1996 and two months later he was gone. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: The total finality of death. Coming to terms with the cold hard fact that we would never be able to talk to grandad again and how much we would miss him. --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: That it is not an embarrassment. That everyone must face it. People try to avoid talking about it and they feel sorry for those experiencing it. People find it hard to look into the eyes of someone who is going through this process. Not just the person who is dying, but also the family. This can make the family feel like they have done something wrong or are strange or alone. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: Even though I was petrified, I would not trade being able to hold my grandfathers hand and tell him that we all loved him as he died for anything in the world. At first I resented the fact that I was there, but as time has gone on I realize I was blessed to have been there. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: The hospice lady that came into my grandad's home. She was like an angel to us. We still love her and feel as if she is part of the family. I found I could not rely on family at the time of his death. Everyone was either so upset and distraught, or they were withdrawn. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: As I said earlier, just the finality. The understanding that I could never communicate with grandad on this earth again. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: Just reassuring them that they are loved, important, not forgotten, remembered is what they need. Giving them permission to rest seemed important to my grandad, he was fighting so hard. It seems after he was told to rest, we were all with him that he finally rested and not 30 min. later he was gone from us. --[My GrandFather's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: Was alot stronger than I thought I was. I was so nervous and scared but I knew I had to be strong for my dad. He was so scared, and I've rarely ever seen my dad scared. When I sensed his fear, I found the strenght to stay and help. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: We found out there was nothing the doctors could do for him. I could not understand with all the advances in medical technical there was nothing that could be done. I was also confused as to why the treatment made him so sick. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: I have to say that never did happen to me. The only urge I had during this time was to cry, or run away, fly away make it go away (the disease). I never did have that urge to Laugh. I never felt like laughing. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: Allow my children to have spent more time during the last few days with my grandfather. The one thing I could not deal with was seeing him cry. Everytime he saw one of his great grandchildren during the last few days of his life he just started to cry and cry. This I could not handle, so we didn't bring the kids in very much and I regret this so much. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: Be there at the end. I had envisioned some horrible ending for him when actually it was quite peaceful. With the help of the hospice nurse and pain medication he simply stopped breathing. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: I watched my dad helping my grandad eat. That was so touching and although I so totally try not to think about my own dad being in that condition, I will do the same for him. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: The fact that he wasn't in the hospital to die. That really scared alot of people. I feel like alot of family, extended that is wouldv'e visited more if he had been in the hospital. Hardly anyone came to his house to visit during the last few days. Everyone showed up after he died, the same morning. This kind of rubbed me the wrong way, he would've like to have seen them, but they were too scared to come see him. I understand now though. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: Some milestone in the lives of my children occurs and I think about how much he loved them and how much he would like to see them doing things, growing up. I really think that is what his tears were for, all the things he would not see them doing. But maybe he does see them. I also feel like crying when I think of my children forgetting him. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I would definitley visit him more often and see to it that my children see him on a daily basis. I would try to get him out more and take him with us to every ballgame, school play or party, etc. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... That my children did not have more time with him. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could It doesn't get that difficult anymore for me. The pain is not a crippling one like it was. The pain I feel foday is more of a sad type of remembrance. Kind of bittersweet. I just wish I could tell him how much I still love him and always will and how I won't let my children forget him. I think this all the time and I know he can hear me. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I Was able to deal with it. I thought I would lose it. I've always heard how someone who loses a loved one gets a sort of peace over them to help them, that is so true. Not that I did not cry and cry, but I found I was actually able to handle something I thought I could not handle. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: Disappointment but understanding. I know we humans think we are super and have all the answers. Doctors make us feel like they can save us always. However, I have come to understand that sometimes God has plans that not all the doctors in the world can change. I am upset still however that with all the money poured into cancer research, we cannot come up with a more gentle treatment for people suffering with cancer. I really feel like the chemotherapy that was supposed to help him killed him in the end. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: I cannot speak highly enough about hospice. When the doctors were finished with us and all given up, hospice stepped in and begin to take care of us, all of us, not just grandad. If our hospice nurse Ruth had not been there in the end my experience would not have been bearable. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: Everything. We prayed and we felt better. We had a hope that God was taking care of grandad. With my grandad's last breath, my dad told him "go on to glory", and then he died. I truly believe "glory" is where he went and I hope to live my life in such a way as to have the priviledge to go there one day. --Religious Affiliation: I am a Christian. I attend services at Albany Church of Christ. --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: That is true in a sense, it doesn't matter what color your skin is, what culture you come from, what your beliefs are, everyone is related in death. --Regarding MONEY: My grandfather had worked all his life, very hard , for the pulp wood industry. He had been extremely generous with his family, friends, and people who worked for him. He had not lived a lavish life. His life was simple, he lived alone for many years after my dad's mother and he divorced when my dad was about 2 yrs old. He saved his money and was able to cover all expenses for his death leaving my dad his only child all of his land and his savings. --Regarding the FUNERAL: For a long time, it was all just a big blur. I couldn't remember anything in specific really. I just remembered a severe sadness. However as time passed I began to be able to remember specifics about the funeral. I remember nice things people said to me. I also remember how nervous people get at funerals and wakes and I could have sympathy on people who tried to console me but were so nervous themselves they did not do a very good job. It taught me that even though wakes and funerals are very nerve wracking I still try to make an honest effort to make eye contact with the family and offer my most heartfelt sympathy. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: Was the feeling that the whole world was stopped, at a complete stand still just waiting with us for what was going to happen. I didn't go the work the entire week my grandad was the sickest and I felt as if no one else was at work, but sitting at home waiting with me. It was very hard to ge t back to work and into the swing of things and to realize that the world did not stop revolving while we had our tragedy. Even though this was difficult, it was almost a comfort to to realize that even in death, life does go on, it can't help it. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : The inablilty to eat or feed themselves, the inability to get up anymore, loss of complete conciousness. These are things that surprised me really. Also, the work it took for my grandfather to breath, he just worked so hard to stay with us. --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: Being strong was important. Not letting my grandfather see me weeping or losing it. You know I did lose it, but I tried to stay strong. I am not saying that this is right for everyone, I was a 30 yr old woman with some understanding of what was happening. But for me trying to encourage him was important. And the idea that my dad needed someone to stay strong for him. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': Personally, we did not experience this. My grandfather did reach that state of peace, but only after we gave him permission to rest. It was almost as if he was waiting for us to say to him you can rest. --RE: Near Death Experiences: Nothing like this has ever happened to me or anyone I personally know. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: My issues were in order, however, I always felt bad about the fact that my grandad lived alone for so many years. We moved near him 17 yrs. before he died and remember someone saying at the funeral that those were the happiest years of his life, i am so glad of that. I just want to work hard to encourage my family to stay close together. Because family is so important, whatever type or sort of family a person lives in. Everyone needs someone to look to for support. --If we were to visit one last conversation... I would just tell him how much we all loved, love and will always love him. I would tell him we cherish all the memories we have of him and with him. I would reassure him that we are all fine and that my children will not ever forget him or the impact he had on our lives. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: Yes, this has happened to me twice in my life. After the very first death in my family, the death of my great grandmother when I was 10. She was so sweet and special to all of us. I got to have some of her things that I kept in a chest. When I got older I took some of them out to use them. One of the items I had was a robe of hers, I was amazed it still smelled like her. I had a dream that she was with me talking to me and that I really enjoyed it. When my grandad died, one day I went out in the field near his house and wrote down some things I remembered about him. That night I had a dream that he was talking to me and he told me that everything was going to be fine and he was fine. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: My grandfather had a will and he wrote a living will when he found out he was terminally ill. This was important to him, he specifically did not want to die in the hospital and he wrote this down for us and the doctors. --Any thoughts about your own death?: That is something I do no like to think about at this point in time in my life because I have young children, however, you never know what is in Gods plan for your future. I have become very aware of my own mortality, I might be suddenly killed or have a disease I am unaware of. I just try, even though I don't always do it right, to live each day as if is is my last. As I said, i don't always do so good, some days I am in a bad mood, depressed feeling, or sad, but I always try to count my blessings. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: The absolute best thing I did for closure was to take a walk in his field where he loved to be best, tending to his garden or his cows. I had a piece of paper with me and a pencil. I just started writing down phrases, not even complete sentences of things I remembered and loved about him. I carried that paper with me for a year and it really helped me. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? I am not so afraid of death anymore, I am better able to think about it without feeling nervous. I am better able to talk to people who might be going through something similar. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? Yes, there is a part of our family that we had not known very well because when my grandmother and grandad divorced my dad was taken away from his home town and was not raised with the rest of his family (cousins). During the months when grandad was the sickest, we found out that family bonds run deep even if you haven't had the chance to personally get to know members of your family. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Adult How'd I do? A bit rough What Helped me most deal with death? Talking to People What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Rage I just could not come to terms with why such a good man would be burdened with such a horrible disease. I became very angry for a while and was looking for someone or something to blame. --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I try to take what I learned with me and use it, with family people I work with and especially students I work with who have experienced losses even greater than mine. I only hope my loss can make me understandable to those students. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - This experience was very useful and helpful and I hope it will be as helpful for my students. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tue Dec 12 05:43:43 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Stumbled on it ] by accident - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of GrandFather, 12 ago. Cause of Death: heart attack; Aged: 61. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: The essence of the body (the soul) leaving the body forever. The ceasing of electrical activity in the brain. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I Didn't know what had happened. --That first time, how it happened was My grandfather died peacefully, in his sleep, of a heart attack followed 2 years ago by his wife. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: The nurses wanting me to cry and me not feeling like it. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: She died with a Christian by her side, praying for her. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: My friends not laughing. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: Accepting it. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: The doctors said she'd recover, and another one said she would die - he was right. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: Say how much I really loved her. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: Keep from crying in front of all my friends. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I see their house occupied by strangers. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... That I never appreciated her when I was alive. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could Hibernate. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I Went home and binged on chocolate. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: Appreciation for them. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: They were wonderful people, just wrong. --Religious Affiliation: Christian (what's an affiliation, I think I need to rewrite this in my own language) --The weirdest part of it all to me was: I wasn't upset at the time. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? Well What Helped me most deal with death? Family's Sensitivities What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? The Funeral ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mon Dec 11 14:19:08 2000 F38 in Madison, Wisconsin =USA= Name: Anna Email: <matcanna_1999=at=yahoo.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Yahoo has you listed in the questionnaire section. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: College English Teacher and Professional Musician - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of BoyFriend, 10 ago. Cause of Death: suicide; Aged: 21. --Details: We had been broken up for about a year. Our separation had arisen because of the difference in our ages and religions. However, I still loved him very much. He had been experiencing psychological problems, got very drunk, took some pills, passed out and apparently fell into a river and drowned. They didn't find his body for three days, and at the funeral they couldn't even show the body. I didn't believe he was really dead because I never saw the body. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: Permanent separation from the physical body of a person. Our experience of their personality and being remains within us, but we can only "see" them in our memories. The pain comes from never being able to encounter this person again on this earth. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I cried. --That first time, how it happened was My first REAL experience of death was when my ex-boyfriend committed suicide about a year after we had broken up. I had lost grandparents before that, but it didn't really have any kind of lasting impact on me or make me think about death. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: he was so young and everybody liked him. --What I think my (USA) culture needs to better learn about death is: to not have so much invested in keeping a stiff upper lip. We're so bound up in being "over it," being "o.k." It's ridiculous. All that sorrow digs a well into us, and eventually the tears burst forth regardless. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: through therapy in dealing with this death I grew tremendously as a person, found my creative voice again, and began to become a professional musician. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: therapy. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: dealing with the fact that I was never, ever going to see this person again. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: I was not present. I would have pulled him out of the river if I had been there. --[My BoyFriend's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: learned through therapy to really grieve. By unleashing that energy, I was then able to turn it to positive directions. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: I thought everything was o.k., but I started drinking too much and smoking heavily and crying all the time. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: This did not happen to me. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: save him. Talk to him before he made the decision to kill himself. I'm terrified that he tried to call me and couldn't get through. Dammit. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: recover, survive, do honor to him memory. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: not sure. --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: not sure. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I visit his grave, as I do at least once a year. I go and tell him I still miss him. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... We wouldn't still be together as a couple, but perhaps he would have gotten well and been able to live a happy, productive life. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... that I couldn't save him. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could Communicate with the dead. Hear he was happy and at ease. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I began to fall apart. I kept "seeing" him everywhere. It took years for that to go away. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: unhappiness that he wasn't able to get the psychiatric care he needed. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: not relevant. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: nothing. It did not help me deal with it at all. Since the death I have converted to Catholicism, and that has helped me deal with other deaths. --Religious Affiliation: I was raised an atheist, became a Buddhist as a young adult, and --after several years without a religion-- became a Catholic convert. --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: correct. --Regarding MONEY: not relevant. --Regarding the FUNERAL: a lot of people from his religion (a very strict sect of Lutheranism) were sure he was going to hell because he'd kill himself. They almost seemed smug about it. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: Wanting so much to see him again that I felt as if my desire alone would summon up his shade by my bedside. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : not relevant. --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: it was important to learn that I could take as much time to grieve as I needed. Grief is very personal and there's no "right" way to do it. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': His family called me looking for him, asking if I knew where he was. I said no. After I hung up the phone, I began to pray for his safety before my Buddhist altar. When I went to put my beads down, a voice within me shouted "No!" and I felt compelled to continue praying. That's as close as a "visitation from the other side" as I got. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: No unresolved issues. --If we were to visit one last conversation... I would tell him that I would always love him and pray for him. I would hope he would say the same. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: Shortly after his death, I had many, many dreams about him. The most intense and memorable involved the two of us walking along a foggy coast. He was ahead of me the whole while. We walked down a narrow strip of stony gravel reaching out into the ocean. Everything was muted. I was afraid to catch up with him and touch him, because I feared that when he turned his face would be horribly disfigured by the time he had spent in the water. When we reached the end of the strip of land, we stood almost together looking out over the fog and the gently lapping water. I touched his arm and he turned to me. His face was good and whole. "I'm all right he said. I love you." I'll never know if all that was him "coming to me," or simply my sad heart wishing it so. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I can't think of anything here. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I would feel very sad. I don't want to die yet, and I'd like to have children before I go. I also don't want to leave my husband alone. I am not afraid of old age and natural death, however. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I did a lot of song and poetry writing that really helped me. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? I still visit his grave, even though it's about a 45 minute drive from my house. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? no. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Adult How'd I do? Very Difficult What Helped me most deal with death? Other: I had to get therapy. I was falling apart. The therapy changed my life and helped me accept this person's death. What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Religion/Clergy My religion at the time didn't allow for me to grieve properly. --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I was able to reach out to one of my students whose father committed suicide a few years after the death I experienced. I really think I was able to help her. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - It is interesting to revive those memories. They still ached, and they still are precious too. - - - Any other questions you feel we should have asked here? None. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sun Dec 10 13:29:21 2000 F18 in , alberta =canada= Name: Morgan Email: <alberta_homicide=at=excite.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] I typed in 'questionnaire' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Student - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: Don't Take my Grief Away from Me - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Great GrandFather, 1 yr (almost) ago. Cause of Death: old age; Aged: 83. --Details: I was told it was old age. However, I doubt this because he was generally a healthy man. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the end of life. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I didn't understand. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...I had a dream. My great grandfather died two days later. --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: The dream I had before the death. My great grandfather told me to cut my hair in the dream (I had very long hair). So I had my hair cut, and I braided it, I tucked the braid into his arms at the funeral. --What I think my (canada) culture needs to better learn about death is: I don't mind how my culture deals with death. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: That my greath grandfather's spirit will be with me always to guide me and watch over me. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: My mom. It was her grandpa and we could relate alot because my grandpa (her dad) had died a few years before that. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: Cutting my beautiful long hair. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: I was there for my great aunt's death and I had nothing to say. But she completely understood this. We didn't even speak the same language, my grandma was there to translate. --[My Great GrandFather's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: survived it and grew from it emotionally. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: My great grandmother died. It was around the time of my graduation and the thought kept popping into my head of sending her a grad picture of me and how proud she would be. Then I would remember that she'd died a month prior. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: it's okay to laugh. Because laughter soothes the soul. And maybe it's even the deceased making you laugh. (My great aunt's eulogy was written by her~it said "don't cry for me, I want you to laugh and be happy I've moved on). --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: To be there when my great grandfather died. --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: say goodbye to him. The last time I visited my great grandpa I said goodbye. --One seemingly minor thing (yet important) which impressed me was when: The whole family gets together to support each other (and attend the funeral). --And exactly backwards: what we didn't make a big deal of, was: The death cards handed out at the funeral. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I recall a memory that we shared. --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I probably wouldn't see my great grandparents that much anyway. (it was just nice to know they were alive). --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... Uh, then I would cry. --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could die. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I cried. Then I grieved. --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: hatred. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: they didn't understand even though they tried to. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: absolutely nothing. to me it was just the place the funeral was held if. --Religious Affiliation: Right now I've no religion. I used to be catholic. --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: enlightening when I think that someday I will die as well. --Regarding MONEY: I had nothing to do with it, but the inheritance thing was a battle that still left our family bitter. --Regarding the FUNERAL: There were too many people. People I didn't know but knew the deceased. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: crying. Because I never cry. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': I had a dream before my great grandfather died. It was at a point in my life where I was questioning my relgious beliefs and life in general. In this dream I was told to cut my hair and that he (my great grandpa) wanted it. So I had it braided and I buried it with him. --RE: Near Death Experiences: I always hear footsteps when someone dies. Usually it comes the night after I hear 'the bad news'. It never fails, I hear footsteps, like someone walking with cowboy boots on a wooden floor, all night long. Sometimes I dream of the deceased, or hear voices long before they die. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: I could talk to anyone in my family about it. Death isn't a taboo after someone's died. They understand. --If we were to visit one last conversation... I would tell him I love him. And that I want to make him proud. And that I miss him. Thinking about the fact that he's gone, however, still brings me to tears. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: When I cut my hair and buried the braid of it with my great grandfather, I gave him my strength. So that he could watch over me and guide me throughout my life. (this is how my culture describes it). --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I want to be cremated. No one agrees with this. But I told them that if they don't cremate me I'm going to haunt them. Cemetaries are freaky places and I don't want my body to reside in one. I should probably have a will. But I don't want the law to force my family into cremating me. They know what's best for me and if it makes them feel better to bury me then so what, I'll be dead. Just as long as they humor me until I die and tell me I'll be cremated. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I'm immortal. I've had several near death experiences (some self inflicted) and I still haven't died. If I knew I was going to die soon I'd be happy. I'd be excited. I'd say bye to everyone and tell them not to cry for me because we all die. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: Talking to the deceased as though they were there. I do this when I hear the footsteps (because they become quite loud and annoying). --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? Sometimes I still talk to my great grandfather. And I go to my grandpa's grave and tell him how I'm doing in life. It feels good inside to know that they're still there in some way shape or form, and can be a part of my life. --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? No, but I have grown closer to my great grandfather since his death. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? Adequate What Helped me most deal with death? The Funeral What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Avoiding Everything It is so easy to become hindered in dealing with death when you are first told 'the bad news', because everyone is trying to deal with it and the initial denial. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - I hope it will be useful in your studies. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sat Dec 9 20:27:11 2000 F28 in baltimore, MD =usa= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: speech pathologist - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: Goodbye Friend - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of pet, 2 ago. Cause of Death: attacked ; Aged: 14. --Details: my sister's dog grabbed my dog by the neck and shook and tore him apart. i jumped in the middle and tried to break it up but without success. my dog died 2 weeks later. My sister's husband found him when i was on vacation. i came home and buried him in the backyard as soon as i found out. My family had a memorial service for him - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --That first time, how it happened was great grandmother, not very close, I just knew i should be sad at the funeral because everyone else was --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: an incredible sense of being defeated. So much time and worry was put into keeping him alive, for him to die in the end. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: death is part of the circle of life. My sister brought her 3 month old puppy to the funeral of my dog. He provided a comic relief and the tiime of grreatest tears by doing a bellyflop into the family pool and had to be dragged out. It was a sign that life goes on --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: my best friend. She validated my grief and my tears. She allowed me to talk again and again and most importantly, she visited the grave site periodicically and put flowers down. It helped to know that she cared as much as I did --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: my dog was a big part of me and a source of contentment. I missed that greatly and felt an incredible lonliness. Also the guilt that i couldn't help him during the attack (although i tried). i felt he did not deserve to die that way and was angry about how unfair things seemed to be! --The most confusing point of death for me was when: i saw my dog suffering and not knowing if euthanasia was the answer. i could not bring myself to do it b/c he had such a zest for life, but it was hard to put aside my selfish feelings of wanting to safe him. My own fear of death prevented me from seeing that he may have been ready and simply hanging on for me --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: i see another dog that looked like mine or when my family tries to talk about it (it is still a touchy subject and can not be completed without tears. Someone always terminates the conversation) --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... he didn't deservee it...i tried so hard to save him so why did he have to die --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could CRY! Ask him a question that bothers me to this day..."Did you know that I tried to help you" (during the attack). Sometimes I wonder because i couldn't help him although I tried. --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I was very very angry and i don't know why or at who. A part of me realized that he was no longer suffering and i kept waiting for that to relieve the feelings --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: the vets were wonderful and went above and beyond there call of duty. Thhey loved my dog almost as much as I did. They took extra measures to make him comfortable aand they called me everyday to discuss his progress. The office sent me a card and each doctor, tech, and receptionist wrote a little note. It meant a lot to me. --The weirdest part of it all to me was: We finally put the other dog down (the one who attacked my dog)and the weirdest/worst part was the sick sense of relief i felt when the docor told us he was gone. I was so tired of worrying all of the time. Even though i was mad because he attacked my dog, I still loved him as a family pet and never wanted him to die. --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: anger, grief, acceptance. Sadness still occurs when memories are triggered but not on a regular basis. I cycled through the stages, they did not occur in a linear fashion. --How might you deal with yet unresolved issues from a death?: issues with my family to talk about the incident. It seems to be the forbidden subject. i have panic attacks when other dogs are around and they are very intoloerant. I try to explain that i am working on my issues and to please be patient. My therapist has given me coping strategies for dealing with my fear of witnessing another attack --If we were to visit one last conversation... i love you. i tried so hard to help you. you were so good to me. It may help with my feelings of guilt. --Any thoughts about your own death?: panic would be the first emotion. my fear of death is not the fear of the unknown but rather the leaving people behind. There are too many loved ones that I would have to hear first hand that they would be okay. --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: I donated his dog bowls and leashes to a local animal shelter. I sit at his gravesite for solitude. I keep his memory alive through pictures in my room - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? Well What Helped me most deal with death? Books & Films What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Family's Insensitivities also, my own fear of death --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: more help from my family. they were supportive up till the funeral but then it was dropped. my time to grief was over. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - it brought back tears that i have been unable to shed. I found it therapeutic to write about the experience, almost like journaling. the most helpful question was about what would i say if i had a chance. This is something i have often thought but never verbalized or wrote on paper. i felt a sense of relief to see it on the screen. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thu Dec 7 23:01:34 2000 F33 in Belleville, Ontario =Canada= Name: Karen - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Prof/Studies: Registered Nurse - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Mother, 5yrs ago. Cause of Death: autoimmune hepatitis; Aged: 51. --Details: Misdiagnosed for years, sick at home with no medical intervention until it was too late. Hospitalized for 1 day when we were told she needed a liver transplant asap and it was not likely to happen. She passed away 2 days later. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the ending of a life that leaves a void in the lives of those left behind --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I cried forever it seemed. I frequently thought that I'd see them out in public and have to do a reality check. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...my grandmother and it was natural causes --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: friends and family support --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: the belief I have that God chooses those special ones to go early because they are needed up there more than they are down here. Knowing that she is up there as well as watching over me and my family has provided me such comfort but I miss her terribly. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: family --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: knowing I would never see, hear, touch, laugh, cry, etc. etc. etc. with her again --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: Human touch, a familiar voice, expression of love, providing her with my permission to go on to that better place and assuring her that it was ok to leave-- there is nothing more difficult than saying good-bye to your best friend in the whole world but not having the chance to do so would be tragic --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: spend her last day on this earth with her. I know in my heart she knew I was there and that it provided her with the peace she needed to move on. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I hear a specific song on the radio, or when I enter that hospital room that she died in {I am an RN and she died on the floor that I work on}, or my father calls me her name, or for no reason at all. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... she is the most loved woman in the world, she would do anything for anyone, my children wouldn't remember her {I was pregnant for my second child and miscarried shortly after the funeral}, and most of all I still needed her --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could talk to her one more time and make sure she knows that I'm ok and to make sure that she is ok --Regarding MEDICINE, DOCTORS, etc: no comment regarding the administrative end but as for direct and personal care received it was absolutely the best. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: I don't go to church but I have strong beliefs and close relationship with I don't go to church but I believe I am a very religious person who stays in close contact with God --Regarding MONEY: Sentimentality was overlooked with some d/t monetary value of some of her belongings --Regarding the FUNERAL: the overwhelming number of people whose support was above and beyond --The weirdest part of it all to me was: Being a health care professional there was absolutely nothing I could do but the guilt that I felt was almost overwhelming --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: My father remarried soon after my mothers passing{6 mos.} and they lived in my mothers house. My father experienced many things but the most prevalent was that of a very loud noise sounding like a large antique light had fallen from the ceiling to the floor upstairs one night, only to discover on investigation that everything was intact. --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: Keep in mind that it is not you lying there, you need to do what you know your loved one wanted. Don't be selfish, remember it's their life. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Teen Ager How'd I do? Adequate What Helped me most deal with death? Family's Sensitivities What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Fear of Death --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I have a nephew who was 11 at the time of my mothers death. He was the apple of her eye and the two of them were inseparable. He kept me strong, he delivered a eulogy that brought tears and laughter to all who listened and if an 11 year old boy could do that with no hesitation in his voice I knew I could survive too. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - It brought a tear back to my eye once again, but that's good it means I will never forget and I will have that love forever. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thu Dec 7 09:41:18 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Recommended Reading-- Titles: Chicken Soup for the Soul Recommended Reading-- Writers: Unknown - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Great GrandMother, 9 yrs ago. Cause of Death: heart attack; Aged: 80. --Details: In the bathroom early in the morning - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: Painfull and hard to get over --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I Couldn't believe it --That first time, how it happened was My Great-Grandma died --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: Crying --What I think my () culture needs to better learn about death is: Crying won't bring them back --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: We had a good relationship --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: My mom --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: Everybody sad --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: Being there helps --[My Great GrandMother's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: Learned to accept it --The most confusing point of death for me was when: I first found out --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: IT was confusing --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: Hug her once more --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: be her grand-daughter --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I Really missed her --Religious Affiliation: Catholic - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Very Young Child How'd I do? A bit rough What Helped me most deal with death? Friends' Sensitivities What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Denial ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Tue Dec 5 04:24:51 2000 F17 in lpool, merseyside =england= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] friends - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: student - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of GrandFather, 3yrs ago. Cause of Death: illness; Aged: 72. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: the beginning of another life --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was devestated --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...in sickness --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: family love --What I think my (england) culture needs to better learn about death is: hard to deal with --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: that he was free from pain - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Teen Ager How'd I do? Very Difficult What Helped me most deal with death? Family's Sensitivities comfort What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? The Funeral ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mon Dec 4 12:48:46 2000 F30 in Cleveland, OH =US= Name: Ronelle Email: <frisky=at=hushmail.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] Your site was amongst a list of other sites under Tests and Experiments - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prof/Studies: Dept. Asst. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - More personal info: You can post my answers although I do not think what I said was helpful - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Father, 1 month ago. Cause of Death: pneumonia; Aged: 57. --Details: Not exactly sure. Our family was not notified until 11/5/2000 and he had been gone since the 16th of October. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: an unbelieveable pain that won't go away --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was 12 years old --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...My Uncle Sam was let out on a freeway in Los Angeles and was hit by an 18 wheeler, he was my mothers youngest brother --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: being around a family who I had not seen in years. Looking at my father in that box a completely different complexion than what he truly was, he was completely black like tar when he has always been very light skinned, he did not look the same, he looked as if he had so much left to tell us. I had not seen him in 8 years, that hurt the most. --What I think my (US) culture needs to better learn about death is: ways to deal with. Death is sad but you have to believe that whomever has passed has gone to a better place. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: seeing my Aunts and Uncles and my cousins, the same people I would see every Christmas and thanksgiving, birthdays, I got to see my fathers mom who is 90, I got to see one of my closest friends and her parents who have been like surrogate parents to me. I got to go home to Los Angeles after 8 years. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: None of the above. I know he is with me. I look at his pictures in his obituary everyday since I have been back in Cleveland, I loved him and he is with me still --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: I had not seen him in 8 years, the last time I was home. 8 years ago we were laughing and joking this time there were no talks. I loved my father and I love him still. --Regarding just Being There for someone dying, my advice would be: I was not there so this does not apply to me. I should have been there for him and I was not and I will always hate myself for that. --[My Father's] death taught me so much. I'd have others know how I: capable of what, I was not capable and I am sorry that I cannot shed any light here. --The most confusing point of death for me was when: the person in the casket did not look like him. --Regarding Humor in the death process, I'd just say that: that did not happen to me, all I kept saying was why, because I did not understand why this had to happen --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: EVERYTHING. I regret not being there for him, I regret not going home every 2 years, I regret not convincing him to come and stay with me and I would take care of him, I regret not asking anyone soner if they had seen or heard from him, I regret EVERYTHING, I regret losing touch, I regret, I regret --But some things worked out so well... I'm SO GLAD I was able to: get there. I did not have any money, but the day I found out a large sum of money dropped in my lap and I was able to go by train (2 days and 2 nights) to be with my father one last time. --I can get all teary-eyed just thinking about it all again when: I am always welling up, he was my father and I loved him. This death was very recent so its fresh on my mind --In another dimension of Life where this all had never happened... I would have either moved back to California by now or he would be living here. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... because it was not, it was not fair that I had not seen him in so long it was not fair for him to give up on his life, he was not fair to me or my brother who gave him the right to give up on us --It's sometimes so very difficult. I just wish I could talk to him --When it really hit me... when I realized & acknowledged the death, I I found out through an email I received at WORK that my father was gone it was the most horrible thing because it was totally unexpected. I will never understand why this happened all I know is that he stopped caring and I am mad at him for that. Who gave him the right to give up on his life NO ONE. --Religious Affiliation: Baptist --Regarding MONEY: there was no money. His sister paid for it, he had no money nor did me or my brother --Regarding the FUNERAL: when my Aunt Sis and Aunt Ollie cried, my cousin Lisa who is 36 said she has never seen her mom cried but she cried for him --The weirdest part of it all to me was: just being in Los Angeles, I kept looking whenever I was in a car at how things have changed and how foreign it is to me. --SOME OF THE COMMON SIGNS OF DEATH : not sure...my father did not look the same and I had not seen him in many years, so I don't know --SOME OF THE COMMON STAGES OF GRIEF: just cry and get it all over with but is it ever really over --If we were to visit one last conversation... I would just ask him WHY --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: I am sure I had this experience, my grandfather passed away in 1993, February...I was living in NJ and was unable to go to his funeral, that summer, I was sleeping and I could not move, I was in an uncomfortable position, and I thought I heard him calling my name, through these ants, or the ants were whipspering I know I heard something --Regarding Rights & Wishes of the Dying: I would want people to remember how I touched there lives and to always know that I would be with them. I know that it is more important to keep in touch because I did not. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I would just like to be buried in Los Angeles. I would have to believe that the Lord has taken me for a reason --Any Coping Ritual or Event you invented / devised to help you cope: nothing really, he is in Los Angeles and I live in Cleveland --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? I have not changed because I know that I should have been there for him and that is all I think about --Any New Friends emerge in the shared grieving process of Death? NOT!!!Los Angeles is my home and thats hit but I reside in Cleveland and no one here was a part of that. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Pre-Teen How'd I do? Very Well What Helped me most deal with death? Passage of Time He was my Uncle I was angry with him for something stupid at the time and I had my mother and we weren't that close. It was sad but very easy to deal with What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? -none- Since we are still dealing with my uncles death I guess nothing. My 1st funeral ever. My grams was real sad and all of my uncles came up from Alabama --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: There was no one to reach out to. I do not speak to my brother, I did not speak to my mother the entire time I was in Los Angeles. My Grandfather his father passed in 1993, my Uncle was there his half brother but they were not that close. My grandma did not attend because she is 90 years old and does not get around, there was no one to reach out too. I do know that he was loved, he was loved very much. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - I am at work and this probably was not the place for me to complete this questionnaire. It made me think about what I could and should have done it makes me angry ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sat Dec 2 19:17:01 2000 Anonymous Guest in , == - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Father, 20 ago. Cause of Death: cNCER; Aged: 52. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...my dad died of brain cancer- he was 52 - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Adult How'd I do? Well What Helped me most deal with death? Passage of Time What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Rage ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sat Dec 2 18:00:08 2000 M25 in edinburgh, =scotland= Name: Debbie Email: <de88ie25=at=yahoo.co.uk> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Found us by: [ Web Search: ] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most Significant Recent Death Exp was death of Father, 4 yrs ago. Cause of Death: cancer; Aged: 45. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - T O P I C A L S - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --Death Is: part of life. Something that everybody has and will experience. --The first time I ever experienced someone's death, I was very young, 11years. I didn't understand why my cousin had died. --That first time, how it happened was How it happened was...My young cousin died aged 18months --The Most Vivid memory I have of this most recent death is: not believing that it had really happened. --One gift for which I shall always be grateful is: it made me stronger. --What was of most support to me in my experience with death was: knowing that my father was no longer in pain and that he loved me. --And the most difficult for me in my experience with death was: knowing that I would never see him again. --Not that it's a regret, but I would like to have better had time to: say how I felt to my father, not that I didn't have the opportunity. I just didn't know how to actually say it.I think this was because of my own denial of the fact that my father was going to die. --Sometimes I think: It's just not fair... how come certain people are still alive and it was my father who died. --Regarding HOSPICE etc: Terrible! The hospice was plainly a place for people to go to die in.We removed my father after a few days and took him home to care for him. If we noticed that everyone around was dying surely my father did, how must that have made him feel. He was relatively young compared to the others in there. --Regarding CHURCHES, RELIGION, etc: nothing --Religious Affiliation: wicca --Regarding ONENESS of SPIRIT, etc: natural. --Regarding MONEY: n/a --Regarding the FUNERAL: How many people turned up to pay their respects, showing that my father was a loved/liked man. --RE: Visions from the 'Other Side': my father called out for his dead grandad a few days before he died, he was very close to his grandad when he was young. I also seen his grandad sitting on the sofa while my father was in the hospice. I described him perfectly even though I had never met him. --RE: After-death visits from our loved ones: Soon after my fathers death he came to me in a dream to tell me that he was alrught. I still occasionally dream of him but not always in the same way, sometimes he is just part of the dream, symbollic rather than in a single part of it. --Any thoughts about your own death?: I have thought about this often and would like to make sure that everyone I loved knew how much I loved them and how important they are to me. --Any Coping Rituals or Events which have carried over into your life? Realising that life is unpredictable and sometimes short, I take the time to show my loved ones how much I love them.I am also more assertive. - - - - - P e r s o n a l H i s t o r y - - - - - 1st Death event occurred in my life at: Young Child How'd I do? A bit rough What Helped me most deal with death? Family's Sensitivities What Hindered me most in my dealing with death? Memories --As for reaching out helping others now as part of my healing process: I gave a lot of support to my mother. - - - Comments on this Questionnaire & collection GuestBook - - - Realising how I feel about death is quite positive and that although I am apprehensive as I don't actually know what will happen I am not scared of death or dying. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ See Nov 00 contributions. See Oct 00 contributions. See Current contributions. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^